Tangent 21 - MMR To have or not to have

Posted by
Sange

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17:54
Jul 02 2002

MMR To have or not to have

Apparently Ken Livingstone has opened again a new can of worms reguarding the MMR jab , and has said that when his child is born he will be opting for the single jabs rather than the combined one.

Because of this I found this on the BBCNews site :

Parents do not trust medical advice on the controversial MMR jab because they know GPs are paid to recommend it, doctors have warned.
Members of the British Medical Association passed a motion at their annual conference attacking the present "target payment" system.

In this GPs receive money if a certain proportion of children at their practice are immunised.

Patients do think GPs are recommending MMR because they are getting paid for it

Dr Steve Hajioff, public health doctor :
There are fears that some parents do not trust their GPs to be impartial about the controversial measles, mumps and rubella vaccine's safety because of the system.

Currently, GPs receive up to Â£910 each year if 70% of infants on their list are immunised, or up to Â£2,730 if 90% complete their vaccination course.

MMR is one of four childhood vaccinations that have to be given. The uptake of each of these vaccines is added together to determine wheter GPs have met the targets and will get paid.

However, GPs have complained that recent health scares over MMR mean many parents are refusing to have their children vaccinated, which has meant they have lost out on money through no fault of their own.

My personal feelings on the MMR jab are as follows
When I had my first son Daniel I just went along with everything the Dr's told me that he should have , and therefore he had the MMR jab. When Sean was 16 months old he suffered a fit , due to high temprature and after this I decided not to have him vaccinated ( I will say however this was after a lot of disscussion with my local Hopsitals specialist in this area )
Since then I have had none of my children vaccinated against MMR as the more I read about the "risk" the worse I feel , I just know I personally couldn't forgive myself if anything happened to my children as a direct result in me having given them something. As a child myself and all my brother and sister all had Measles and we came through it ok.
I would most def have my children vaccinated if I could get the jabs done one by one , and feel I should be able to have this done on the NHS.

So what about the rest of you ?

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Cat "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." ~Anon

by Jay Jay
There has never been a proven link between the MMR jabs and autism.

They will never be able to prove that MMR doesnt cause Chrones or autism or any other condition. the reason is, it is impossible to prove a negative.

On the Tony Blair issue, we all know his son had the singel jabs. if not he would have wheeled him out to show the world that he was supporting MMR. The only reason he hasnt is because if he says his son had MMR, a dr or nurse would come forward to show him up as a lying.

Posted: 12:54 Jul 03 2002

Jayjay "I may be scattered / A little shattered / What does it matter / No one has a fit like I do / I'm the only one that fits you"

Here are some links from independent bodies that I thought some of you parents might appreciate:

www.medinfo.co.uk/immunisations/mmr.html
www.phls.co.uk/news/bulletins/2001/010112id.htm
www.nas.org.uk/pubs/faqs/qmmr.html
www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/335/mmr.html

Posted: 13:20 Jul 03 2002

Sydney You can lead the whore to culture but you can't make her think!

by Cat
(quotes)
On the Tony Blair issue, we all know his son had the singel jabs. if not he would have wheeled him out to show the world that he was supporting MMR. The only reason he hasnt is because if he says his son had MMR, a dr or nurse would come forward to show him up as a lying.

You don't know that for certain. Would anyone on here use their kids or allow them to be used for any type of gain that would leave them exposed to the media and open to critisism and would lead to most people in the country accusing you of being a bad parent?

Tony Blair was a Father before he was the Prime Minister.

Posted: 13:22 Jul 03 2002

Jayjay "I may be scattered / A little shattered / What does it matter / No one has a fit like I do / I'm the only one that fits you"

Cat, the reason that you can't prove a negative is why the burden of proof is on those who claim their is a link. Further, what little they have presented can easily be shown as incomplete, contradictory to data from other countries, and lacking any real depth at all. The case FOR the link is incredibly weak, which is why the only rational conclusion is that there is not one, but more research cannot do any harm.

As for Tony, while I disagree with a lot of his policies, I genuinely do not believe he would have revealed what vaccination was used on his son. At no point that I can think of has he ever used his family to win a political argument, unlike some politicians I can think of (the BSE debacle comes springing to mind).

Posted: 13:30 Jul 03 2002

Sange It's only kinky the first time!!! after that it's just the Norm ;o)

Thanks for the links JayJay , I'm sure it will help some of the parents here who haven't already made an informed opinion

I found that as I said my local clinic were very good , they put me in touch with a Dr at my local hospital who we went and saw several times before making our decision

Mishelisa you are totaly right it is your decision alone to make , try and get as much information you can from every angle and as with Jola then at least with whatever you decide to do , you will know you did what was right for you.

Posted: 14:24 Jul 03 2002

Keenangel *Fourteen phonecalls a night??!!*

Cat: to repeat what i said earlier, the so called link has never been replicated under any conditions, not once. And for every so called report of a link, there will be several reports disproving it.

Before a supposed link can be proved, if at all, it needs to be proved once and for all, what causes autism... and scientists just don't know. The brain is a complex organ, some say autism could be genetic some say it could be caused by a brain injury before, during or after birth. No one knows.

And Tony Blair doesn't have to reveal whether Leo had the MMR or not, while it is topical at the moment, what he and his family choose or do with their private life is nobody else's business. If he came out and said,"yes, he has had the MMR", would parents suddenly say, "oh well if he's had it, then it must be safe"?.. don't think so, do you?.

Posted: 22:36 Jul 03 2002

Sange It's only kinky the first time!!! after that it's just the Norm ;o)

by Keenangel
Cat: to repeat what i said earlier, the so called link has never been replicated under any conditions, not once. And for every so called report of a link, there will be several reports disproving it.

Before a supposed link can be proved, if at all, it needs to be proved once and for all, what causes autism... and scientists just don't know. The brain is a complex organ, some say autism could be genetic some say it could be caused by a brain injury before, during or after birth. No one knows.

And Tony Blair doesn't have to reveal whether Leo had the MMR or not, while it is topical at the moment, what he and his family choose or do with their private life is nobody else's business. If he came out and said,"yes, he has had the MMR", would parents suddenly say, "oh well if he's had it, then it must be safe"?.. don't think so, do you?.

One question, how can they possibly replicate it unless they start using our children as test subjects?

No I agree they can't prove it causes these things but they can't disprove it either.

And sorry , yes it's personal what he and his wife chooses to do with their children , but then he should also give us the rights as parents to have our children vaccinated with single jabs if thats what we choose to do. Rather than forcing parents to make what is already a difficult deision even harder

Posted: 06:56 Jul 04 2002

Cat "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." ~Anon

Keenangel - I'm not saying there is a link at all. it's a scientific fact that a negative cannot be proved.

I thought this was relavent since both sides are out to Prove their case and one side clearly will never be able to.

Personally i dont know if there's a link.

i would not give my child the jab because of the strain on it's immune system.

Posted: 11:15 Jul 04 2002

Sydney You can lead the whore to culture but you can't make her think!

Its probably worth considering that the original peice of research that claimed their to be a link between MMR and austism etc has been fully dicredited by independent bodies. Amazingly enough the discreditation didn't recieve anywhere near as many column inches as the original flawed peice of research did.

Posted: 12:06 Jul 04 2002

Keenangel *Fourteen phonecalls a night??!!*

Okay, a strain on the immune system.. if that's what is the worry, which obviously it is, why hasn't there been an outcry about the 3-in 1 vaccination all babies have at 2,3 and 4 months?.. Are babies getting those immunisations?.. and i know there are reactions to those set of jabs.. plus babies now receive a meningitis C jab on top of those, yet we haven't heard an outcry against those. (Babies receive 2 sets of jabs.. hib,whooping cough,tetanus and diptheria in one, meningitis c in the other). Isn't that overloading an even more fragile immune system?.. (or is the child's immune system stronger or more able to cope as he or she will still have some of mum's own antibodies?.. okay, confusing myself now

)

And whether Leo has had single or the triple jab still isn't really any of our business. Plus who says that the single jabs are safer?.. But i agree that the choice should be there.. and not at our own expense.. (and some of the doctors who do give the single jabs must be making a fortune out of all of this paranoia and mistrust

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Posted: 12:39 Jul 04 2002

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