*Shrugs* I've never bought "The Sun" anyway, in fact the only paper I've ever read is The Sunday Times *shrugs again*
Exlusive from 'The Sun': "Fire union chiefs are stooges of Saddam Hussein!"
The above explains yet again why I think everyone who buys this trash on a regular basis should be properly ashamed of themselves. I think the following poem sums up my feelings about the invidious craprag ...
By NICK PARKER
and ANDY RUSSELL
TWO union chiefs who led firefighters out on strike went to Iraq and returned spouting Saddam Hussein’s propaganda, The Sun can reveal.
Bob Pounder and Howard Western BLASTED Britain and our allies over sanctions against Iraq after their Baghdad jolly.
The hard-Left stooges were unmasked as Britain’s 50,000 firefighters walked out at 6pm last night despite fears of terror attacks.
With the strike only an hour old a woman died in a house fire as RAF firefighters raced to the scene.
But two striking fire crews broke their stoppage to dash to their aid.
Pounder, fire union boss in Manchester, made a bizarre analogy between firemen and the war on Iraq.
He said that while Tony Blair was prepared to spill others’ blood, “firefighters have been paying a blood price for years”.
The 48-hour strike was masterminded by Fire Brigades Union supremo Andy Gilchrist — who has a picture of revolutionary Che Guevara in his office.
The strike, over a whopping 40 per cent pay claim, is the biggest union challenge to a government since the heyday of maverick miners’ leader Arthur Scargill.
Last year’s trip to Iraq by Pounder and regional FBU secretary Western was to show workers’ solidarity.
Western even donned Iraqi robes.
Both men attended a rally calling for an end to UN sanctions.
And they met Saddam’s Minister of Labour Dr Saddi Tuma Abbass. They were told: “Your visit is a message to the enemies of humanity.”
Writing in the magazine Firefighter on his return, Pounder pledged the FBU’s backing for an end to sanctions.
He stormed: “Surely our government is not beyond reproach and accountability in contentious areas of foreign policy.
“The whole trade union movement for internationalist and humanitarian reasons has a duty and responsibility to act.
“In the fullness of time, the Fire Brigades Union position on Iraq will be vindicated.”
The union men presented an FBU plaque to the Iraqi Fire Service — and were taken to a site where Saddam claims 403 civilians were killed in an air raid during the 1991 Gulf War.
In his magazine article, Pounder claimed the civilians had been “executed in a planned and co-ordinated attack”.
Earlier this year, Pounder ranted after firefighters voted for industrial action: “Tony Blair said he was prepared to pay a blood price to attack Iraq.
“It’s not his blood of course. Firefighters have been paying a blood price for years and it is high time for this to end”.
Pounder has risen through the ranks of the FBU by championing extreme left-wing causes.
He is an ordinary fireman on £26,000 a year. But he can devote up to half of his working hours to union duties.
He recently invited a group of asylum seekers to tea at his office to support their campaign against repressive Turkish jails.
Last year he backed a fireman carpeted for refusing to salute a superior — slamming Manchester fire chiefs for fostering a “militarism culture”.
He also sparked controversy during the race riots in Oldham when he complained firemen were working alongside “a paramilitary police force”.
Pounder said he feared fire crews would be seen as “forces of oppression”.
The Sun repeatedly rang Pounder’s mobile to ask him to explain his views yesterday.
Eventually a man answered, saying: “We are not interested in speaking.”
Yesterday it was clear the loony left was jumping on the strike bandwagon.
In Cambridge and in Preston, Lancs, pickets were joined by Socialist Workers Party members.
JAIL officers are set to walk out over lack of safety cover during the firemen’s strike.
Union bosses held talks yesterday, claiming the lives of 34,000 warders could be put at risk if inmates riot.
A Prison Officers Association insider said: “We can’t rule out strike action where fire and safety cover is deemed inadequate.”
"The Sun's dead sound, it's got birds with big knockers."
Take them in work and decorate your lockers.
The sport in it's boss, especially the racin'.
And the 'oroscopes tell us the day we're all facin'".
"Don't you remember, you ignorant swine?
All the lies they told in eighty-nine.
Let me remind you just what they said.
We ****** on the bizzies and robbed our own dead."
"But the telly page's sound, they've got bingo and lotto.
And on one of the pages there's a nice little motto.
Anyway Evo I just didn't know.
It doesn't matter now it was so long ago."
"It does ******* matter! It matters a lot.
People had children they've no longer got.
People had fathers they'll no longer see.
They said that I killed them, they said it was me!"
"Shut up will you Evo. You're always bangin' on.
Hillsborough and justice, all that carry on.
Anyway Evo get out of me face.
It's only a newspaper in any case."
"It's not a newspaper. A newspaper has news.
Not made up stories with which to abuse.
What they said was "The Truth" were all scurrilous lies.
We got no apology. What a surprise!"
"All right then Evo what should I buy?"
Tell me one, give me the reason why.
Which one do you think stands out from the rest?
The Mirror, The Echo, which one's the best?"
"Don't buy the Sun. It's fit only to burn.
Don't buy the Sun. There's nothing you'll learn.
I'll say it once more and then I'll be done.
Buy what you want but DON'T BUY THE SUN."
From www.raotl.co.uk/dontbuysun.htm
(Edited by Staff 14/11/2002 20:02)
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All the red-tops are national embarrassments from time to time, the only benefit is the 'bread and circuses' they drop in between the dross. Sure, some of the senior union leaders are militant communists, but this sort of lambastation benefits no-one.
Site staff may wish to look into a possible bug -- a post appeared and then vanished in this thread.
No bug, I posted and then thought better of it. But I would ask that people think carefully first about what they post in both here, and the firefighter's thread. Emotions can run high and the last thing we want is people feeling they are being personally attacked. Please think before you hit the 'submit' button.
by Callum
Site staff may wish to look into a possible bug -- a post appeared and then vanished in this thread.
Thanks
Quite possible, but as I was about to respond to him I was a little suprised when it vanished.
by Sweet-Sange
Maybe whoever posted it just deleted it Callum
I certainly did not intend for anyperson to feel attacked by my comments, I was critcising the red-tops themselves, not the red-top readers.
by Whistler
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No bug, I posted and then thought better of it. But I would ask that people think carefully first about what they post in both here, and the firefighter's thread. Emotions can run high and the last thing we want is people feeling they are being personally attacked. Please think before you hit the 'submit' button.
Thanks
I wasn't referring to you, Callum
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I certainly did not intend for anyperson to feel attacked by my comments, I was critcising the red-tops themselves, not the red-top readers.
I did wonder how long that post would be there for
Sorry just wanted to carry on with the quotes cause it looked kinda cool
By me blah blah blah
/me goes off to take her medication
LMAO! Here ya go, hun. Thought I'd quote you as well
by Sweet-Sange
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Sorry just wanted to carry on with the quotes cause it looked kinda cool
/me goes off to take her medication
Stoo needs to go back and edit his comment to include a quote
by Sweet-Sange
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Sorry just wanted to carry on with the quotes cause it looked kinda cool
/me goes off to take her medication
I could go on all night!!!
by Callum
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Stoo needs to go back and edit his comment to include a quote
Reaaallllyyyy
by Sweet-Sange
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I could go on all night!!!
*Anyway* back to the topic at hand....I actually read the Sun everyday however I am intelligent enough *not* to take everything the Sun says as gospel. I always make sure I get my news from a few different sources everyday which are usually BBC News 24, The Sun and Ananova.Com.
Yes sometimes The Sun does print some incredibly stupid stories but sometimes they reveal some really interesting stories...the story about the British couple who adopted two US kids illegally springs to mind.
The only thing I would say is if you don't like the paper don't read it...it's not as if someones standing with a gun to your head and making you(if they are I apologise )
I think the real question here is..
Was it the Red pill or the Blue pill?
Was it the Red pill or the Blue pill?
The Sun (and the other red tops) do come up with some great headlines from time to time (anyone remember "Up Yours Delors"?).
Thing is, pretty much any newspaper has its own set of values/biases. I'm a regular FT reader and I'll be the first to admit it's fairly detached, with many stories being along the lines of "Earthquake in India, Rupee falls against Pound" or "War looms in Iraq, price of oil rises"!
The Times could also be accused of being a pretty populist publication these days for a broadsheet, just one with fewer nude women and which is harder to read in a crowded Tube train...
Thing is, pretty much any newspaper has its own set of values/biases. I'm a regular FT reader and I'll be the first to admit it's fairly detached, with many stories being along the lines of "Earthquake in India, Rupee falls against Pound" or "War looms in Iraq, price of oil rises"!
The Times could also be accused of being a pretty populist publication these days for a broadsheet, just one with fewer nude women and which is harder to read in a crowded Tube train...
The one I've been most disappointed with in relative terms recently is the Evening Standard -- it's gone really downhill over the last few years.
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