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by The Noid
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They have something to spend it on, more music.
Eventually the money will be spent. It may take some time for people to ajust their spending habbits, but they will once they notice their bank balance going up. While it isn't spent, it's in the hands of the banks, who use it to make more money too.

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More music... absolutely... except... oh! Personal taste... just because I am not spending my money on artist A, it doesn't mean I will spend it on artist B.

And to repeat... people don't spend all their money, neither do they automatically start to spend once their savings reach a certain level.

By your argument, the world economy should be perfectly stable because ultimately everyone spends their money and it all has the same eventual effect. This is clearly not the case.

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by Incandenza
They save their money when they have nothing specific to spend it on.

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Oooooo there are people out there that save money!!!!!

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by Sange
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Oooooo there are people out there that save money!!!!!

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So I'm told.

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by Incandenza
By your argument, the world economy should be perfectly stable because ultimately everyone spends their money and it all has the same eventual effect. This is clearly not the case.

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And by your argument everybody should have a huge surplus on their bank account by now... This is clearly not the case.

All these enconomic and business arguments seem to still miss the point.

People do it because whether its theft or not, it doesnt FEEL like theft.

I personally would never ever consider shoplifing so much as a 5 penny sweet from a shop, and the fact that the shop is a faceless corporation not some little kid makes it no less serious. But would I consider downloading the odd song? (not that I have)... sure.

Is the evolution of the idea of theft to include 'theft by duplication' a natural process that will have to take its own time, or is there anything the industry can do to accellerate it.

Or are incentives the way to go?

Why all the fuss about this? Sorry I really don't see the problem here it's a very common and normal proces that is going on here that we see in thousands of companies all over the world.

The surroundings these organisations operate in have changed. The world isn't the same as 10 years ago. Internet and especially broadband has taken over millions of homes all over the world. Products are available via different channels like the P2P networks we have seen developing recently.

The music and movie industrie is currently still making the same old product and they deliver it via the old distribution channels that they always used to do and that worked so fine until now.

If they would just get of their behinds and crying like little babies they would see that the surroundings an organisation operates in decides the profatability of this organisation.

The consumer has made a point. We do not take this any longer. You (the m/m industry) will have to change your ways and deliver a different product or we will just get this product somewhere else (illegally, but we just don't feel like it's illegal ).

No but they stick to their old ways as they where able to make lots of money in the old days with that so why not now. Well the world changed, live with it! All the crying and all the lawsuits in the world won't change that now.

Also they should have noticed by now that copy protection just doesn't work. The people you want to stop can copy it anyways and the people that buy your product are stuck with a cd that doesn't work in the car. Now thats really nice of them to threat their customers like that!

There are a lot of good products they can put on the market but they just don't make mainstream because there is still so much money to be made with the "old stuff". Let them just take on the competition with the free p2p networks and deliver a better product than they do! Start releasing those super audiocd's etc with those brilliant audio quality! If you rip those you end up with files that are too big to really share easily

Just stop crying about the situation we know it already! Deliver us a better product at a more reasonable price and the mainstream of the consumers will come back to you.

Sure there will always be copies.... but there always where It's a fact of life........ Adjust!

As others have said I use the internet to preview albums, if I like them I will buy them (tescos shops are reasonable for chart cds £9.97) The internet has made me more selective, so I dont buy so much rubbish. I have dozens of once listened to cds from years ago.

I also think part of the problem isnt people downloading from the internet but those people at car boot sales, market stalls, and the bloke at work with a list of cds, those are the ones who are really the problem.

On to films, No I dont download these as I prefer going to the cinema to see them or renting the dvd.

TV I personally see it as a all different ballgame if tv company got their behinds into gear and showed it uncut and reasonably after it was shown in the US then it wouldnt be so much of a problem. I read in a interview with a Channel 4 spokesperson about the west wing that basically said "whats the point of buying shows if people are going to download them". Well If they didnt wait a year to show the the series (which can take some of the current relevance away from it).

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by Chambler
The music and movie industrie is currently still making the same old product and they deliver it via the old distribution channels that they always used to do and that worked so fine until now.

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Complety agree with that and also the point you made about copy protection, that stops people playing their legally bought cds in there car, dvd player or computer thats the way they treat there consumer. And dont get me started about dvd region coding (easy to get around just the principle).

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by JtB
TV I personally see it as a all different ballgame if tv company got their behinds into gear and showed it uncut and reasonably after it was shown in the US then it wouldnt be so much of a problem. I read in a interview with a Channel 4 spokesperson about the west wing that basically said "whats the point of buying shows if people are going to download them". Well If they didnt wait a year to show the the series (which can take some of the current relevance away from it).

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Exactly. What options did I have when watching Buffy, for example? Watch it hacked to pieces on SkyOne, or wait a year to catch up on BBC2, by which time I'd be spoiled anyway. Or Enterprise and Angel, both meant for widescreen, yet hacked to pieces to fit a 4:3 TV on SkyOne, and again delayed for over a year on terrestrial.

As I see it, I've already coughed up the licence fee and subscribe to SkyOne, and the programmes will be shown eventually on terrestiral for free, so (hypothetically naturally) if I were to aquire them early, who am I hurting?

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by Byron
As I see it, I've already coughed up the licence fee and subscribe to SkyOne, and the programmes will be shown eventually on terrestiral for free, so (hypothetically naturally) if I were to aquire them early, who am I hurting?

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This is true now although could become less true were the broadcasters to develop a more sophisticated approach to calculating viewing figures.

A link conteracting the arguement about downloading movies causing people not to go the cinema.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2968470.stm