by Vinnie

I think you get arrested if you do.



Mmmmmmmmmmm uniforms

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by Sange
I think that the majority of smokers are considerate, after all we are the ones (bar the very rare few) that don't smoke in a non smoking area, dont smoke on planes, buses, trains, tubes and cinemas, what we do do is smoke in places we are allowed to

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I don't really see this as being considerate though. If you ask smokers why they don't smoke in cinemas, trains, buses etc. then I doubt many of them will tell you it's out of consideration for others. The vast majority will say it's because they're not allowed to, and they probably would smoke if it was allowed.

I think consideration only comes into it when you have a choice. If you're somewhere where you're allowed to smoke but don't because you know it will have a negative effect on the people around you then yes, that's considerate. Not smoking simply because you're not allowed to is a case of simply doing what you're told.

(Edited by DJ Billy 30/10/2003 18:00)

btw, Is it *completely* off topic to ask the smokers in here why you smoke?
Curious me...

Or maybe I'm just nosey

*goes to hide*

(Edited by Bee 30/10/2003 17:50)

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by DJ Billy
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I don't really see this as being considerate though. If you ask smokers why they don't smoke in cinemas, trains, buses etc. then I doubt many of them will tell you it's out of consideration for others. The vast majority will say it's because they're not allowed to, and they probably would smoke if it was allowed.

I think consideration only comes into it when you have a choice. If you're somewhere where you're allowed to smoke but don't because you know it will have a negative effect on the people around you then yes, that's considerate. Not smoking simply because you're not allowed to is a case of simply doing what you're told.

(Edited by DJ Billy 30/10/2003 18:00)

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Just to set the record straight out of consideration if I go for a meal with non smokers I will always sit in the non smoking section, if I am driving my car with non smokers I dont smoke, if I go to a none smokers house and they dont mind me smoking I wont smoke in their houses, maybe in those examples consideration was the wrong word, maybe it should be that smokers accept that there are places that we can't smoke we are not calling for smoking to be allowed in all places unlike non smokers calling for it to be banned in all places.
If the risk of passive smoking is so great and the risk of smoking is so great then rather than calling for a ban in public places why not just ban it all together? stop producing and selling cigarettes, oops can't do that because then the tabbaco producing countrys would lose their huge revenue and who would fund the majority of the health service?

I really didn't want to get into a debate about smoking as I have previously said if it is banned from public places so be it, I just feel that some non smokers have a holier than thou attitude as well as some smokers I hasten to add rather than trying to see all sides of the coin, after all smoking isn't the only thing we could be banning, what next ban drinking because some people go to far, ban cars because of the polution, ban people having children because of over population, ban sex because of STD's it could become rather silly.

And Bee I smoke cause I enjoy it


(Edited by Sange 30/10/2003 19:15)

Nicely said, Sange

I'm a non-smoker and it really doesn't bother me if people smoke around me.

im an on/off smoker i smoke because i want to but if asked by someone i hold dear to stop (for example my ex asked me to and i did because it wasnt a craving/addiction thing which is lucky as i know one or two people that would tear ya face off if they couldnt have one) i can quite easily but as for people not smoking in places because they CANT thats not true there are people out there that WOULD smoke in a cinema/train/bus because they want we smokers chose to abid by the PLEASE do not smoke rule (note its asked as a kinda of favour not demanded although some can read as such *shrug*) because we want to go to the cinema/resturant/wherever and wouldnt want to offend anyone or be put in the position where someone feels they HAVE to come up to us and ask us not to smoke (its just as embarressing to be asked not to smoke as it is to ask).
If i am with a non-smoker i always ask if it is okay to have one if i know they are saying yes just to be nice i insist on going outside if im that desperate but im lucky that i rarely am "dying" to have one.

i smoke cigerettes because i gave up smoking a certain sumfin-sumfin sometime a go and the occasional/social smoke with other smokers i find i enjoy but if i dont happen to have any on me and am with no-one who wants to share it doesnt bother me.

(Edited by bipolar 30/10/2003 21:12)

Anyone for a spliff?

I promise not to exhale

/me takes TNT away

I'm what you'd call a "social smoker" and I've just come in from a night out (*hic* ) tomorrow morning I'll notice the horrid smell and probably wish I hadn't smoked as much tonight Anyway, back to topic, I smoke where its appropriate (with the exception of college where the designated smoking area is completely uncovered ) and I feel I'm considerate about it. The places I go to are the kinds of places where non-smokers are actually in the minority and yet I've never had anyone turn around to me and be nasty about me and my smoke. I feel that smoking is just expected in some places (either that or people are too polite to say) and like Sange (I think it was) I respect non-smoking zones and would feel unbelieveably guilty if I wandered into one by mistake!

As a smoker all I want is to be able to smoke in the odd club/pub and outside. Whether you like it or not, smoking (for various reasons) is still for the most part socially acceptable and surely laws should reflect this? I hate people who smoke while I'm eating and certainly don't subject others to it.

Anyway there's my two pence!

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by Kate
Actually, it's only holding the handset. I know because Capital Radio is giving away hands-free kits this week

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3204420.stm
"Of the drivers who were aware of the change in the law a further 16% told researchers they intended to invest in an ear-piece and wire device, not realising this will also be illegal if the phone is handled at any point."

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by Sange
Mmmmmmmmmmm uniforms

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Oh, on the the point of smoking, I think it should be totally banned everywhere. It's bad enough getting home after a night out and reeking of stale smoke, but it's just as bad when walking down the street and you get a face full of smoke from someone walking past you.

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by Vinnie
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3204420.stm
"Of the drivers who were aware of the change in the law a further 16% told researchers they intended to invest in an ear-piece and wire device, not realising this will also be illegal if the phone is handled at any point."

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At the start of your trip you can set your phone to automatic pick up when it rings then you won't have to touch it at all.

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by Vinnie
but it's just as bad when walking down the street and you get a face full of smoke from someone walking past you.

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When this happens to me I tut loudly and then cough all over them.

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by Vinnie



Oh, on the the point of smoking, I think it should be totally banned everywhere. It's bad enough getting home after a night out and reeking of stale smoke, but it's just as bad when walking down the street and you get a face full of smoke from someone walking past you.

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Some figures for you, smokers pay approx 9.5 billion in tax, if smoking was banned totaly the average worker in britain could look forward to paying an extra £3,703 tax a year, by all means ban smoking but someones gonna have to foot the bill.

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by Sange
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Some figures for you, smokers pay approx 9.5 billion in tax, if smoking was banned totaly the average worker in britain could look forward to paying an extra £3,703 tax a year, by all means ban smoking but someones gonna have to foot the bill.

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sod that for a bag of chips! it's bad enough how much we get conned for tax now as it is, the tax sitch makes me more angry then when i was a non-smoker and didnt like being in smokey atmospheres. at taxes.

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by Sange
(quotes)
Some figures for you, smokers pay approx 9.5 billion in tax, if smoking was banned totaly the average worker in britain could look forward to paying an extra £3,703 tax a year, by all means ban smoking but someones gonna have to foot the bill.

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There's always the counter argument about health costs to to go against that tho'

And no one is talking about banning smoking altogether. I know some people think Tony Blair is a crackpot, but he's definately not that barmy!

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by Sydney
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There's always the counter argument about health costs to to go against that tho'

And no one is talking about banning smoking altogether. I know some people think Tony Blair is a crackpot, but he's definately not that barmy!

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Smoking related aliments cost the NHS approx 1.5 billion a year, so they save 1.5 billion and lose 9.5 billion.

Nope thankfully for us smokers they arn't but there are people who feel it should be banned all together and so be it, but as I said earlier its not seeing all sides of the coin, after all being a smoker I am paying towards that 9.5 billion (ain't I the noble soul ) where as a non smoker isn't, if smoking was banned then the non smoker would be footing a bigger amount than they currently are.

im a social smoker and perhaps a bit more than that since i came to uni, but i decided to stop before i start getting addicted.

to me, it really is a nasty habit., i know this and i don't why i continue to do it, hence the stopping

i went out last night and resisted the urge to smoke

not sure what my stand on a complete smoking ban is....i'll get back to you, when i can compile my ideas more intelligbly

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by Sange
(quotes)
Smoking related aliments cost the NHS approx 1.5 billion a year, so they save 1.5 billion and lose 9.5 billion.

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As Ive said to many people smokers and drinkers more than pay for their hospital treatments.

As a none smoker (ok I enjoy the odd cigar:tipsey I feel that there needs to a bit of give and take in the situation totally banning smoking is dracoinian and leading to a nanny state (arent we getting there). There needs to be more non smoking and smoking areas introduced in pubs ect. We need to treat each other with respect and thinking about if it may bother anyone before you spark up.

Although I completely hate smoking while im eating as I dont want it ruining the taste of my food, thankfully most pub/resturant eating areas are none smoking during the times while people are eating

I think it's time all you smokers came and joined me!

1st, a carton of silk cut is 25 euros, take 2 hrs to travel to Gibrlter and they are £7 a carton. i think you're paying something like £50 for a carton now.

2nd, you can smoke absolutly everywhere! supermarkets, department stores, even banks! the banks also put little sweeties by their ashtrays so you can have a suck after your puff!!!

there is no such thing as a non smoking section over here and in the few places you cant smoke, like the airport, no one pays any attention to it. the police there smoke so everyone else does too.

i've seen about 5 no smoking signs since i've been here, usually in the places that also say no dogs (also few and far between, i can take my dog inot bakeries, restaurants, even the local butchers dont mind her). And, like i said, none of these places bother to atually enforce their smoking ban.

<edit> Oh, and on a side note, shortly before i left the UK Suffolk had it's 1st totally non smoking restaurant. it lasted 2 months!

(Edited by Cat 03/11/2003 17:52)

Dogs and smoking in restaurants? And to think I considered a long weekend in Spain.....

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by Cat
<edit> Oh, and on a side note, shortly before i left the UK Suffolk had it's 1st totally non smoking restaurant. it lasted 2 months!

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Pffft, the local Beefeater here doesn't allow smoking an any of the restaurant area, if you want to smoke, you have use the bar downstairs.

It's been like that for years.